Mark Jen Firing Confirmed
Jeremy Zawodny talked to former Google blogger Mark Jen last night about his abrupt termination from the company:
Believe it or not, I met Mark tonight (err, “last night” to most of you at this point) and had a chance to chat with him about his brief time at Google and various other things. I’m not going to reveal everything we discussed, but I would like to clarify a few things and respond to John’s request for commments.First off, nothing Mark said surprised me. Yes, he was fired from Google. It was directly related to his blog. He was employed there for just a couple of weeks.
Mark’s a good guy. He doesn’t believe he was doing anything wrong (neither do I based on what he told me). In fact, he wasn’t even aware of the blogosphere’s Google obsession–or at least the search bloggers who watch every little thing Google does–until this happened. Let’s just say that he was surprised by his sudden fame.
Then, talking about the fact that he is blogging while working for Yahoo:
Oh, and I have managed to piss off, anger, and otherwise frighten more than my fair share of PR folks at Yahoo, including Chris. But that’s hardly a surprise. Many PR professionals initially have strong reactions. Some continue to do so. But on the flip side, ask the recuiting folks if writing my blog has helped or hurt our ability to hire. I think you’ll like the anwer you’d hear.
And Google’s paranoia:
Google has their reasons for being paranoid about public communication and remaining as secretive as they can about nearly everything they do. That’s just the way it is, and I won’t speculate on their reasons. But I do think they’re missing a real opportunity to get involved in a lot of interesting discussions. For now, though, they’re apparently content to watch and listen.My advice to Google employess who really want to be more open than they can be: send me your resume.
Just kidding!
Yahoo has Jeremy. Microsoft has Scoble. Google will fire you if you even try. Why? Both of the other companies’ big bloggers are controllable and willing to remove posts that violate some corporate policy. I just don’t understand it. Does Google actually believe it can keep this up? No amount of secrecy lasts forever. How much longer before Google starts suing bloggers?
Sadly, I just feel terrible about this. In my eagerness for an honest Google blogger, I jumped all over this story. I kept reporting on it every step of the way. Outside of this blog, I’ve reporting on lots of stories I didn’t want to report on, that would hurt others (or even myself) because they needed to be told. Did this need to be told? Did we need to dissect every word Mark wrote? Were his musings on company dentists and Ikea that compelling? Probably not. Sadly, I wouldn’t be much of a reporter or a blogger if I ignored it, but I just wish Mark hadn’t lost his job over it.
This is the business we’re in, reporting on events and persons of consequence, and many times, the actions we take to expose that information hurts people. It’s a lot more personal on a blog, and sometimes it can just seem more like a conversation between friends than actual reporting, but in the end, we are reporting on real people and our reporting has effects on the world around us.
The one bit of solace in this: Its possible Google was going to fire Mark anyway, since they did have him pull the blog before almost anyone noticed it. If they were going to fire him before we jumped on the story, at least the blogosphere was here to catch it, to call Google on it, and to hopefully offer some kind words in what is undoubtably a tough time for Mark. If that is the case, maybe, just maybe, it was all worth it.
(via Google Blogoscoped)
UPDATE: Scoble weighs in too:
The thing I like about working at Microsoft is that I can talk smack about my boss (I wish he’d give me a reason, though, Lenn is one of the best people I’ve ever worked for) and I can write about things that I’d like to see Microsoft do in the future. Yes, there are risks.Reading Mark’s blog I can see a variety of mistakes he made. When you start at a new company you need to build a relationship network before you start discussing the company in public. You need to understand what the various forces that have power (and, at every company there are probably people who have more power than you do — even the CEO has to listen to the board of directors and to other people inside the company) and you have to work carefully and deliberately.
It’s not easy writing in public. All it takes is one paragraph to lose credibility, have people laugh at you, get you sued, create a PR firestorm, or get your boss mad at you. Think about that one for a while. Just a few hundred pixels on the screen can dramatically change what people think about you.



I’m pretty sure that:
- People wouldn’t have jumped on these news bits quite so eagerly if the official Google Blog would be a little more, well, blog-like (and tell us similar inside things, in less press-release style).
- We only accelerated his fall. If you’re writing a blog, don’t expect it to be private. Heck, in his first post he even said that one day, he might compile this blog into a book.
- I can’t comment on possible NDAs etc. because I don’t know what his contract said.
Comment by Philipp Lenssen | February 9, 2005
hehe..You need a napkin?
Get over it. Corporate world works like it. Yahoo just trying to get some karma points. But, heck, anyone would work for google than yahoo, if given the choice.
Comment by z | February 9, 2005
Despite all the supposed paranoia that Google has, I’m amused to notice that there are more Google bloggers than Yahoo bloggers.
Comment by Mihai | February 9, 2005
Google have gaffed bigtime on this - yeah he should be repremanded for it - for sure, but fired? - Well, yeah! but not by a company like google with the whole of blogdom ready to pounce on anything googlelike that moves…
And btw, what’s happened to the news round here, for the last week you’ve been 2/3 days late with everything…
Comment by Nick W | February 9, 2005
Mikhai: There are more Google bloggers, but there are more Yahoo employees blogging about Yahoo than Google has. In fact, Jeremy Zawodny alone beats Google’s grand total of zero.
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Nick: Yeah, sorry about that. I got a major promotion and have been working long days getting into it. I’m still playing catchup.
Comment by Nathan Weinberg | February 9, 2005
I think i can prolly find it in my heart to forgive you Nathan heh..
We all get a bit behind every now and again, just wondered what was goin on
Comment by Nick W | February 9, 2005
[…] A few weeks ago a new Googler started a weblog to document his experience working at Google. A few weeks later he was fired for his blog. Now Mark Jen has finally updated the blog that got him fired. He doesn’t say much in the post but he did modify the disclaimer on the right side of the page to read: “hi, my name is mark jen. i used to work for google and before that, i worked for microsoft. this is a blog of my personal experience when i was a new google employee and my life afterwards.” Tags: Google, Mark Jen If you enjoyed this post, then make sure you subscribe to my RSS Feed. […]
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